Date: Fri, 14 Apr 95 19:06 EET From: "Jens Puchert" Subject: [KLF-TALK:1784] Re: half baked comments In message <199504141128.HAA17403@wink.io.org> you write: >>In message you write: >>>I would just like to congratulate Dan and his crew for a job well done >>>and can't wait for the next music disk. Please all composers who decide >>>to make music disks leave the songs in s3m mtm etc so people like myself >>>who can't use the graphical players can play the songs with their >>>favourite mod players. >> >>Agreed. Weird proprietary formats that force you to use a special player >>suck! > > Yeah, and mod players that don't support new weird proprietary >formats suck, too. ;) > > >An UltraTracker (.ult) user for a about a year, I didn't really have so much .ULT in mind. I'd be willing to consider ULT a mainstream format (although probably the least used one). No, I was referring to really weird (and undocumented) formats like .CBA, AMF, .PSM, you name it. Anyway, I'm just about ready to leave for NAID, so I'm looking forward to meet all you guys up there in the "Kosmic Classroom". See ya... >--- > .oOo............... Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ..........oOo. > .oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/ Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: 905.508.1527 Oo. >oO andrewm@io.org Music: ftp://freedom.wit.com/kosmic/songs/artists/andrewm Oo >. > K o s m i c F r e e M u s i c F o u n d a t i o n Jensi ----------------- Date: Sat, 15 Apr 95 07:36 EET From: Ryan Hanson Subject: [KLF-TALK:1785] Personally, my biggest problem with 'reviewing' is this : - there is one mag that reviews 90% of this stuff, maybe whoever reviews a rave disk only likes orchestral music -- so they say it sucks...well??? - a lot of the people reviewing the CODE in demos are musicians or graphics dudes, etc...they're good at what they do but (a) i'm a coder, i don't know shit about music, i don't review it (b) they're musicians/graphics dudes, they don't know shit about code, they shouldn't review the CODE aspect of a demo...somebody who actually understands programming, i mean, who understand 3d graphics, protected mode coding, etc...should be the one(s) reviewing the code in a demo, likewise the music by a musician, graphics by a graphix dude, etc... - in the 'real world' if you are a raver, you get raver 'zines and they'll review stuff so that generally they like what you like, if yer talking about the zillions of different styles of modules that are released every week, how can one mag review them in an even vaguely reliable way? It cant!!! the same goes for reviewing mags, trackers, etc...it's all a metter of personal taste which normally would be left to different mags to review and respond to different viewpoints, instead of one trying to review all of them...you see? natas of lithium aka benzel (on irc;) hanson4@nes.nersc.gov or try #coders ;) l8r ----------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 04:38 EET From: "John M. Cooney" Subject: [KLF-TALK:1789] Re: Josh pulls a goofy > Can you let me know the addresses for some good WWW pages of mods? I have > been looking for something like that. Thanks. > > jimbob Check out the Watchman's WWW at http://www.ccil.org/~janisa/watchman.html He has a couple of mods up currently and some links to other sites. - John ----------------- Date: Sat, 15 Apr 95 21:24 EET From: "J.Toon" Subject: [KLF-TALK:1786] Re: > - there is one mag that reviews 90% of this stuff, maybe whoever reviews a > rave disk only likes orchestral music -- so they say it sucks...well??? The reviewing staff should not only rate stuff on how it sounds -- there should be other aspects as to how it is rated such as originality, sample quality, background theory used, realistic factor, overall sound .. and the mag should have a list of how they rate each song and how it did in each catagory it was rated in (much like Consumer Reports and reviews in magazines like Keyboard (for the sample cds ..)) > - in the 'real world' if you are a raver, you get raver 'zines and they'll > review stuff so that generally they like what you like, if yer talking about > the zillions of different styles of modules that are released every week, > how can one mag review them in an even vaguely reliable way? It cant!!! Also .. the reviewers are not getting paid, so you know they are not working from 8-5 reviewing these things .. so I think (This is not proven but seems logical) is the reviewer grabs a lot of the tracks (how ever they organize it) and mass-downloads them, unzips them and listens to them in a row .. The reviewer (lets say he is big on raves and hardcore music) is going along listening to 200BPM hardcore songs then next song is a laid back, 88BPM guitar/piano mellow tune that runs for 3-4 minutes . first, is the reviewer actually going to sit through it? and second, since our reviewer likes raves is he going to rate the song correct? doubtful -- expessially when they don't have criteria to meet for the reviews .. Cerulean [defiance] ----------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 00:31 EET From: "James R. Cooney" Subject: [KLF-TALK:1787] Re: half baked comments On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, Jens Puchert wrote: > AMF, .PSM, you name it. > > Anyway, I'm just about ready to leave for NAID, so I'm looking forward > to meet all you guys up there in the "Kosmic Classroom". > > See ya... > > >--- > > .oOo............... Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ..........oOo. > > .oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/ Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: 905.508.1527 Oo. > >oO andrewm@io.org Music: ftp://freedom.wit.com/kosmic/songs/artists/andrewm Oo > >. > > K o s m i c F r e e M u s i c F o u n d a t i o n > > Jensi > > ----------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 00:37 EET From: "James R. Cooney" Subject: [KLF-TALK:1788] Re: half baked comments On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, Jens Puchert wrote: > > I didn't really have so much .ULT in mind. I'd be willing to consider > ULT a mainstream format (although probably the least used one). No, > I was referring to really weird (and undocumented) formats like .CBA, > AMF, .PSM, you name it. ^^^--> AMF's are the DMP's Internal modules... you make them using a utility that comes w/ DMP.... oh, and sorry about the extra message... -the watchman jcooney@locke.ccil.org http://www.ccil.org/~janisa/watchman.html ----------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 15:44 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:1790] Re: half baked pic On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, John M. Cooney wrote: > I was wondering if you used a generic routine to display the pic > for halfbaked. Did you write it in C? Was it a jpeg or gif/tiff type pic? It's just a self-executing picture made by Graphics Workshop. - Dan ----------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 04:12 EET From: "Zach B." Subject: [KLF-TALK:1791] Re: half baked comments > > I didn't really have so much .ULT in mind. I'd be willing to consider > ULT a mainstream format (although probably the least used one). No, > I was referring to really weird (and undocumented) formats like .CBA, > AMF, .PSM, you name it. ^^^ Well, there is a difference between undocumented and those which you don't have the docs for :). Talk to bartist, i'd wager that he'd send you the specs (assuming you don't spread them :)) so you could support CBAs if indeed you wanted to. Hell, he sent them to me :) Did you ever get Otto's AMF loading routine? Its not much but its a start.. psms are just meant to be hacked :).. I got the sample structs no prob but didn't even want to think about the pattern data.. > > Anyway, I'm just about ready to leave for NAID, so I'm looking forward > to meet all you guys up there in the "Kosmic Classroom". > > See ya... Wish I was :( > Jensi > > /====---------------------------------------------- -- .. . | Zab - DA / HaRDCoDE / Kosmic .. Coder sort of :) |http://www.teleport.com/~zab/ =-= zab@teleport.com \==------------------------- --- -- .. ----------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 10:09 EET From: rodman@wizvax.net (Joshua S. Rodman) Subject: [KLF-TALK:1792] Good Music I asked everyone if they had seen this musicdisk, and no one had, so I'm telling all those that are at all into hard raveish techno to check out Digital Scream by one of the Soundwaves. Check this out: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/disks/ds.zip (I like to move it move it! :) I might not have the URL exactly right as cdrom.com seems to be unpresonsive at the moment. PING wcarchive.cdrom.com (192.216.191.11): 56 data bytes --- wcarchive.cdrom.com ping statistics --- 8 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss And if anyone has DMPC2.7, please ship it to me. -- Serve the Computer. The Computer is your friend. Be a happy Alpha Complex citizen. -----------------